00:01.92 bizzyweb Dave you are you and I are in and out of the internet all day every day most days right. 00:07.71 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Yeah I can't I feel like I can't really escape from it some days. It's one of those things ah living in the modern world I suppose I do I do um you know it's I ah. 00:11.15 bizzyweb Um, you know who Mr Beast is 00:20.69 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Frequent tiktok in my spare time and that's how I see him I know that doesn't give him the revenue that he's probably looking for but he's got a lot of pretty interesting stuff out there. 00:29.76 bizzyweb So for those of you who don't know who Mr. Beast is Mr. Beast is a guy who has a Youtube channel and he does ah random things that are hilarious. Um and makes a fortune on it for instance. 00:46.11 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Again it. 00:47.74 bizzyweb He've ah invited a hundred of his followers to come to a mall at Nine o'clock at night and gave them a case with $10000 in it and said ah they had 15 minutes to hide. And if they made it till noon the next day without being found. They could keep the money and that was the channel and then ah there he'll draw a triangle in the middle of a target and then let anybody say anything you can put within the triangle I'll buy for you things like that and. He makes a fortune on it and as a result of that it caught the attention of my 8 year old son Linus who decided to open his own channel he he's on Youtube under the spicy luigi so she. 01:24.34 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb A. 01:39.28 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Who is spicy Lo E G I like it. 01:42.56 bizzyweb Pop for the spice man where he eats spicy food and then we talk about the spicy food. So what when he he brought this to my attention I didn't know that there was money in it and there's a fortune to be made on content production and ah video monetization. So that's what I wanted to spend today's episode ah talking about is how do you do that? How do you turn making fun videos doing things that you like into ah actual tangible money. So. Our guest today is longtime friend of the show Nick from propose the five who is not here under the proposed vi banner but is here because he has a a channel that he's making a good but a good amount of money hat. Hey Nick thanks for joining us today. So. 02:30.34 Nick Brown Hey Treg how we doing? Yeah absolutely. 02:31.25 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Welcome. 02:37.50 bizzyweb Um, you are and let me make sure that I have this right? a semi pro professional semiprofessional pokemon player. 02:51.26 Nick Brown I Think that's ah, it's a way to put it. Yeah so I don't know I don't know if there really is professional versus nonprofessional. So the the particular Avenue of my stream that I do is this very unique thing called Shiny hunting. Um, so to just kind of. 03:05.29 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb You know. 03:08.20 Nick Brown Give a very quick explanation of what that is are you familiar with Pokemon let's start there I think that's the earliest or easiest question. 03:14.83 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb That might that might be good and while I've been mildly exposed while while my son went through a brief period and we went through went to a bunch of parks and with pokemon go That's ah, that's all I know so for for the guests at home. 03:25.19 Nick Brown Okay. 03:29.83 bizzyweb Yeah, so let's back up. Let's talk about Pokemon First yeah. 03:31.93 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb What what is it. 03:32.84 Nick Brown Go there? Okay so pokemon is a game started out early. 90 s is probably I think the number 1 grossing game franchise of all time and basically it's a rpg or a role-playing game where you go throughout. 03:34.84 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb A. 03:51.53 Nick Brown These different worlds these different places you catch these creatures that are sometimes based on things in reality they're sometimes just random things that have been created obviously pokemon go came out in 16 and was this huge phenomena across the world. Um, but. 04:02.70 bizzyweb Okay. 04:08.24 Nick Brown Think piachu is a good example right? Piekachu is 1 pretty much everybody knows but what a lot of people don't know is that the piekachu that you the little exactly the little yellow guy but what a lot of people don't know is there's actually an orange version of peekachu that is coded into the games and this orange version. 04:13.87 bizzyweb He's the little yellow guy with the light things. But. 04:13.93 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Um, a yeah. 04:22.79 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Food. 04:25.56 Nick Brown Is something that is highly sought after by people who play these games anyone who plays loves to go and they love too shiny hunt. So the way that I explain this is let's say that you had a bag of 511 yellow marbles and then in that bag. There is 1 orange marble. Shiny hunting is is reaching your hand into the bag pulling a marble out seeing what color is putting it back in the bag and repeating that process over and over until you get the orange one which is your very special orange peek at you. 04:55.17 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Fascinating. Okay, or. 04:59.19 Nick Brown And so this has been around since the second generation of pokemon games which came out in 99 um, and since those came out pretty much everybody who plays these games enjoys it and is obsessed with it and wants to do it so there are. Dozens of Youtube channels that are specifically dedicated to these people who sit for hours at a time doing these repetitive mundane tasks in the hopes that one second you're going to see the one that's the different color at which point everyone freaks out. Has a great time and so that's what I do that is what my channel is dedicated to. 05:33.52 bizzyweb This isn't unique to pokemon necessarily David I grew up back in the 80 s with super mario brothers which was rife with easter eggs and all games really have easter eggs where if you go right. 05:34.61 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb I Love it. 05:46.82 Nick Brown This. 05:53.20 bizzyweb Or versus left at any particular time then you get a little special something and that's kind of what a shiny is right. 06:00.30 Nick Brown Yeah, in a way So an Easter egg is something that's typically ah like known and you can replicate it. You can go do it. You can do it multiple times This is based on what they call R and G odds So it's random number. 06:09.16 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb If. 06:14.35 Nick Brown Generation which means that every pokemon has a chance to be a shiny but it has a one in an x amount of odds chance of being that so some of them are 1 in 512 other ones are 1 in 4096 so um 06:27.30 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Wow. 06:29.52 Nick Brown To an extent yes, but in another way, it's just something that's coded into the game that you're either really lucky or really unlucky and that's that's what a lot of people like to do is just watch and find out okay is this person going to be lucky on this particular 3 hour stream that they're doing. 06:46.16 bizzyweb So you have a day job right? You have a full time job right? And you're good at it you and I've known each other professionally for probably going on 5 years ah 06:47.18 Nick Brown I Do I do. 06:58.52 Nick Brown Um. 06:59.97 bizzyweb And this has absolutely nothing to do with your day job. Okay, so it's a video game you like playing how how did you first come to the realization that people would want to. 07:00.95 Nick Brown No, not at all completely separate and. 07:19.96 bizzyweb Watch you play video games. They think there's a certain generational issue where people are saying squeeze me, you want to watch somebody playing video games. 07:33.61 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Ah. 07:33.82 Nick Brown So that is actually probably the hardest hurdle that I had to get over so ah yesterday was actually my 1 year streaming anniversary. So I did my first go live yesterday. Um a year ago and what I remember thinking is just I'm I'm looking for some sort of creative outlet. Just missing something. Um, kind of felt stuck in a way work is great I love my job I love what I do but it gets to be repetitive. It's kind of the same thing over and over so I just needed to find a way that I could access that that right part of my brain as opposed to the left part where I spend most of my day and just say okay what can I do? that's. 07:56.33 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb 3 08:09.74 Nick Brown s creative so started going on Youtube and there's this fantastic creators names Kem Nation says a guy named Chris lives out in winnipegish area manitoba and he is huge. He's got almost one hundred thousand subscribers has built his entire following doing this shiny hunting thing and I started watching it. And so I was one of those people who looked at it from the perspective of why would you do this? You can just play a game like you can go buy this game and you can play it yourself. Why are you watching this person do it but then it very very quickly learned that the game is just kind of like the tortilla chip. 08:39.10 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Is it. 08:49.51 Nick Brown And the community is like the guacamole everybody just wants to eat the guacamole but the chip is what you need to actually get people. You know to start doing it. So what I started to do is make friends in these chats that are happening during the livestream I started interacting with cam nation and talking with him and having these. 08:54.46 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Um, right. 09:06.90 Nick Brown You know back and forth jokes he and I are good friends now it just built like this this huge sense of community in camaraderie and then I kind of had this light bulb moment which was people don't watch this for the game and if you happen to get this shiny pokemon that people are sitting there and waiting for That's amazing like that's obviously what you are putting this content out there for but people show up the same hundred plus people show up to this every single day and just hang out for 3 hours that's it that's what it is every day when I'm working I have it on in the background. 09:27.50 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Here. 09:38.14 bizzyweb The way that my eight year old who's getting into watching these gaming videos and these streaming videos explained it to me was a lot more simple than that What he told me was because I asked him that very. 09:38.60 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Ask me I Love it? Yeah, ah. 09:54.70 bizzyweb Get off my lawn question of why are you watching somebody else play video games and his answer was well you like watching football right? and I said yeah and he said what's the difference somebody else. 09:55.12 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Yeah. 10:09.60 Nick Brown Exactly That's exactly it. Yeah. 10:09.72 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb A. 10:12.35 bizzyweb Playing a game and then the light bulb went out for me and went Oh Wow I know I'm old but okay. 10:22.80 Nick Brown Yeah I think I think that there's a ah good parallel that can be drawn there because why? well yes, you could go out there and play football. Um, there's different levels of. Athleticism and professionalism and you know the the training and stuff that goes into it now video games. Especially what I do anybody any day of the week could do this so in a way that's kind of a disadvantage because there are people that I know who are in their fifty s that do shiny hunting. There are people that I know who are in there. 10:35.80 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Is there. 10:41.97 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb In. 10:50.78 Nick Brown Early teens that do this so it's not like you're limited I feel like there's an age cap eventually I don't think anybody's going to want to watch balding forty year old me play Pokemon I don't know but I think that's probably out of the running. But um, you know you look at it and what really sets this aside and you have to be really competitive with is. 10:51.66 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb With it. 11:10.10 Nick Brown Doing things differently and building and establishing that community making it a place where people want to come and visit and hang out. It's not. It's not as um, not as clear cut and has as deep of like a history as as football. But then there are some video games where I mean you could go head to head with one of these guys and you would just be knocked out. 11:29.50 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb A. 11:29.74 Nick Brown Floor wiped and that's probably the stuff that Spicy Luigi is watching. 11:33.43 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb I bet. 11:35.33 bizzyweb Yeah, so do are you know we're kind of talking about this in the microcosm of Pokemon but ah, almost all video games now have this community aspect to it. 11:47.18 Nick Brown Yeah, yeah, certainly so while I kind of focus in on one particular niche as they say in Canada niche as they say in America as I kind of focus in on my one very narrow. Um element. There's lots of. Content creators that I'm friends with that do a wide variety of things multiple different games kind of cast a wider net. So there's risk and reward to both of them I think but yeah, my particular avenue that I go down is just this specific aspect of of pokemon. 12:17.13 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Spectacular. So Nick there's there's streaming and then there's like the the channels that people follow. So what are what are the popular places for a streaming you know and I know. 12:23.29 Nick Brown A. 12:32.90 Nick Brown E. 12:32.89 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Yeah, tangentially sort of about Twitch but you know I know Youtube is also massive. Where do you publish your content and is there a difference between live streamed content and the recorded content for you. 12:45.33 Nick Brown Yeah, so I started on Twitch um but was kind of looking at the path to monetization and so Twitch is really appealing to a lot of people because you can get monetized very quickly so you get monetized on Twitch. You become a partner. Um and then what ends up happening is they. 12:50.68 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Reading. 13:01.85 Nick Brown Bombard your content with ads and they take a much bigger percentage so you have to work a little less hard to make it happen but they are going to monopolize your channel. They're going to insert ads that are non-skippable during the middle of your lives. They're going to do a lot of things like that. So that's where I first started out and then I looked at Youtube and obviously. 13:04.21 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb A. 13:15.66 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb A. 13:20.79 Nick Brown These places are always going to take a cut but it's a little bit harder to get monetized on Youtube you need to have 4000 total hours of your content being watched by people within a one-year period? Um, and then in addition to that you have to have a thousand active legitimate subscribers. So. 13:24.10 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb And. 13:35.91 Nick Brown Youtube Burges subscribers all the time. So if they find bots or things that were you know, generated in click farms that sort of thing they will take those away so Youtube's a lot harder. They take a smaller cut the split on Youtube is seventy thirty so you take away 70 they take 30 where I believe twitch is ah. 13:41.47 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Sort of thing they will well today. 13:52.82 Nick Brown 45 55 so you take a substantially less portion. Um, but then live streams live streams have a little different impact so I actually don't put advertisements on my live streams I focus primarily on putting them on any. 13:53.62 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Wow This mistake. 13:54.19 bizzyweb Wow. 14:05.39 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Okay. 14:09.38 Nick Brown Vods which is video on Demand which is the livestream after it's finished. It's where people can go back. Watch it I will monetize those and then I'll also monetize any just content that I put out. So um. 14:13.53 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb And. 14:21.96 Nick Brown Good example is when you finally find a shiny pokemon that you have been waiting seven months 106 hours and six thousand four hundred and nine resets of a video game to get the reactions are pretty unreal people get very happy you you have this very joyous moment and there's a lot of people that get to share it. So. 14:26.77 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Yeah, the. 14:41.37 Nick Brown Um I will upload those as a separate video and those also get monetized because people tend to watch reaction videos all the time. So um, yeah. 14:47.24 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Excellent. 14:49.15 bizzyweb I Want to back up because I think this the concepts that we're talking about are so foreign to so many people that I'm hoping that they can listen to this and get a basic primer so you explain the concept of monetization. 14:56.72 Nick Brown A. 15:04.47 Nick Brown Yeah, yeah, so when you get monetized what it means is that the platform that you are streaming on or that you're creating content on sees you as someone who is a valuable investment. That's really what it means you've either put in the hours in the work to show that you're serious about it. 15:05.55 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb 2 Yeah. 15:21.67 Nick Brown Or you made it big really quick and they say let's get some some partnership with this person and so what that looks like is for me I don't know exactly the process with Twitch but for Youtube as an example I hit my milestones I get an email that says we'd like you to join the partner program. Go through an application process which is quite easy. It just involves a channel review to make sure that you don't ah that you're not breaking any of their community guidelines rules anything like that once you get approved they enable a couple different things on your account The first thing you can do is insert advertisements and you can structure what those advertisements look like. 15:42.85 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb I Add the. 15:57.80 Nick Brown As an example, my my viewer base is mostly children. It's mostly people who are probably 12 to 18 with the exceptional or the exception of a few adults. Um, which are you know at this point good friends of mine that sort of thing. So. 16:04.71 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Is it. 16:13.75 Nick Brown I take away things like politics anything that might have more adult themes from my ads none of those things get in there which you know can hurt my revenue a little bit. But yeah I think about if I had a kid that was watching me what do I want them seeing. Um you can also have channel memberships. 16:21.15 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Was right. 16:30.84 Nick Brown Which is essentially where people pay to have a specific title and a few more perks to be a part of your your community a part of your channel. So that's something where majority of people's revenue comes from and then they. 16:40.24 bizzyweb And how much does that generally cost if I want to like if I want to monetize my son's channel. How much do I charge for memberships. 16:52.69 Nick Brown And it really depends. Um, like most people that I see for what we do the the average cost is about $2 per membership per month. Um. 16:58.65 bizzyweb Okay. 17:00.17 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb I. 17:01.59 Nick Brown And so that's what I charge for my base level and then you can have different tiers so I have a $2 membership a $5 membership and then a eighty five dollars membership which is just for fun. It literally includes a dinner with me. So no, one's bought it yet. But you know just have a little bit of fun with it. But what Youtube introduced. 17:09.16 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb And. 17:10.99 bizzyweb Fifth. 17:19.33 Nick Brown Probably about eight months ago now is gifted memberships. So another member of your community can gift x amount of memberships to be given out to other people. So the idea there is someone who really likes your channel gifts a membership to someone else. 17:22.37 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Is. 17:36.15 Nick Brown Keeps them around. Maybe they want to continue being a membership. They start to purchase their own membership. Um, so that's I think right now for a lot of live streamers. That's where a majority of their content. Um content revenue is generated from is that. 17:38.52 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb I get. 17:51.40 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb That's absolutely fascinating I had no idea that you could even do memberships directly through Youtube I thought that was like a Patreon thing or or something like that. 17:53.57 bizzyweb Um, me to. 17:55.80 Nick Brown Um, yeah, so I think a lot of people probably would go through a lot of the bigger people probably go through Patreon because the cut I'm guessing is smaller than what Youtube takes so $2 I lose 30% of that every single time. Um. 18:04.14 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Okay, yeah, oh sure. 18:13.10 Nick Brown I think Patreon probably has lower cut thresholds that they would do but um, being a member directly through Youtube gives you some perks within the chat like a custom emoji. You get all these different things that you can use that separate you from the the. 18:22.81 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Everything. 18:30.26 Nick Brown The peasants in the chat, right? You're the the Kings and queens and you're looking at all the peasants that's kind of how it it feels. But yeah, it's cool. It's a cool thing. 18:30.70 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Sir sir. 18:36.56 bizzyweb So did you do this with the the expectation that you were going to make it a side hustle or did you just do it for fun and then it turned into 1 18:37.46 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb That sp of it. 18:45.79 Nick Brown It started out as a hobby. My whole goal was just to prove to myself that I could get some random stranger to donate money to me that was it I literally I said that to my fiancee I said I'm gonna try this dreaming thing but I'm gonna quit as soon as somebody gives me $1 that I don't know personally and. 18:54.87 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb A. 18:55.43 bizzyweb Yeah. 19:01.87 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Fifth export. 19:03.83 Nick Brown Then I just got hooked on it I got hooked on doing it and it just became this I do I do I do and I'm not even a basement I am on a main floor here. So yeah, yeah. 19:04.87 bizzyweb And that's the other thing I want to make clear is you actually live with a woman who's not your mother. 19:16.54 bizzyweb Okay, so what are some of the other revenue streams that people can monetize into a gaming channel and we talk about Memberships Yeah, talk about merch. 19:18.70 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb I Love it. 19:33.91 Nick Brown Merch. Yeah, so merch is merch is 1 thing. Um, it's very tactical when you figure out when you should drop your merch store. There's there's definitely people that. Take the time to make these really cool aesthetic custom designs that they toss up on a Merch channel. Um, and basically you look at it and say I would wear that regardless of if I support this channel or not so you would buy that me personally I don't have a merch merch shop just because. 19:52.40 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb A. 20:00.19 Nick Brown I don't have enough people yet that I think it would be valuable but a lot of people tend to do it around like the 10 k subscriber Mark is when a lot of people will launch their merch channel but there's not many um margins are pretty tight on Merch that you order online so a lot of people kind of straight away from that. Um. 20:08.39 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Sure any. Go here. 20:18.65 Nick Brown Super chats is a part of Youtube that's where you can just donate straight money. So super chats are something that people who are monetized get access to you tend to get a lot of a lot of revenue from that is just people who send you some cash every now and again to say thanks for what you're doing or we we like seeing it. Um. 20:29.23 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Hey. 20:34.83 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb And it. 20:37.14 Nick Brown Partnerships are another big thing I know that in the gaming community. There's lots of partnerships like g fuel is a great example. They're a energy drink company. That's kind of built their whole brand around professional gamers streamers that sort of thing so they get involved with a lot of people send them products you plug the products you get you know. Coupon codes for people who buy it that sort of thing another avenue that you can monetize your channel and then I think memberships and just advertisements that get placed on your videos. Those are probably the 2 biggest sources of of revenue that you'll have. 20:57.00 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Here. 21:09.37 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Sure does that include like influencers and like influencer marketing. So could you be is that part of Partnerships or is that a separate kind of option. 21:18.48 Nick Brown Yeah, so it it ties pretty much directly into it I think the the products are very selective on who they choose to rep their brand. So usually it's people that are either very family friendly. 21:28.71 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Here. 21:35.45 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb And right of course. 21:36.15 Nick Brown Are people who are very not family-friendly. There's no like intwe if you're kind of a channel that walks the line every now and again, if you're a channel that is more Pg 13 you probably won't get a sponsorship. They're looking for specific fan bases and the specific fanbase that purchases. 21:49.13 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb The. 21:52.59 Nick Brown For the more adult oriented content. The ones that swear the ones that play the you know mature rated games. Those are people who are going to have their own money to buy whereas the younger ones are the people who are going to ask for these things for birthdays for Christmas for that sort of thing. So um, yeah, that's that's. 21:58.98 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb A right right? right. 22:11.53 Nick Brown They're very selective just the same way that ah products are very selective with the influencers. They choose to work with. 22:19.22 bizzyweb What's what's fascinating about all this is the the idea of community that that burgeons up around this and this was actually part of an espionage thing in the United States a few months ago where there was a massive leak of intelligence that was done through. Ah, what's considered generally considered a gaming channel and through through the community and that's how that's how it was found founded. So um Nick this is is fantastic. How much time. Do you really spent doing this on a daily basis because you've got a day job. 22:41.55 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb This. 22:56.61 bizzyweb Got a fiance you have a life. How do you fit all this in. 22:56.86 Nick Brown Um, yeah. 22:59.76 Nick Brown Yes, so I go I go live every single Monday through Friday for an hour before work. So that's how I start my day is 7 am to eight am Eastern time I go live on Wednesdays I take a 3 hour break during my day. 23:06.37 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb It. 23:14.99 Nick Brown So I work an hour early and I work an hour late and then I just tack 2 hours onto my lunch break and take a midday break to do a stream during kind of what's the the prime time for content on Wednesdays every now and again I'll try and get 1 in on the weekend if I can obviously weekends are busy. So take it a couple hours is. 23:24.41 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb The hit. 23:30.97 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Was it. 23:33.98 Nick Brown So a challenge sometimes and then I try and supplement with videos whenever I get a chance So if something good happens in the stream. There's anything like that just kind of edit it on my lunch breaks pick away at it and then have them scheduled to release it sort of days that sort of thing. 23:38.32 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Is. 23:50.45 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Ah, amazing. And if you're spending that much time interacting is a lot of that or or streaming is a lot of that dedicated to maybe chatting or interacting with your community and how do you keep up with that. 24:01.44 Nick Brown Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that was one of the biggest challenges is playing a game at the same time that you're reading chat and interacting with people to make them feel heard to make them feel seen to make them want to keep coming back. So engagement's really difficult. What's nice is when you're first starting out as a streamer. 24:09.50 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Slavery chapter right in. 24:20.18 Nick Brown You don't have much to do. There's usually you know a handful of people if you're lucky that are there now I have consistently anywhere between 25 and 30 people that are always in chat and always chatting so it's a little bit think about being in a slack channel where you have 30 people constantly sending you messages and you have to reply to each one verbally that's that's really what it's like. 24:20.75 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Sure and. 24:37.47 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Um, yeah, Yellow. Ah. 24:40.14 Nick Brown Um, but you just strike a balance you establish a team of moderators which are people who kind of watch over the chat and just make sure people are obeying the rules following things if they're asking questions that can easily be handled. They'll take care of it. So once you get that team established it kind of makes your life a lot easier. But. 24:45.78 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb A. 24:53.37 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb And. 24:58.53 Nick Brown It's why I do it the the shiny hunting aspect of the game is extremely boring. It's very repetitive. There's not much that you have to focus on so when people ask me how can you reset a game for 104 total hours. It's because I'm sitting there talking with people to kick off my day every single day right? same people every day. So um. 25:15.93 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Sure and ah tell me more about the moderation and stuff is that part of the tool built in or do you have you just like added people to that or yeah, how's that work. 25:18.60 Nick Brown Yeah. 25:24.54 bizzyweb Um, to pay those people. 25:26.50 Nick Brown Yes, yeah, so it's it's It's honestly kind of an honor if you are a viewer in a channel and that moderator that streamr asks you to moderate for them. What it typically means that you've demonstrated that you're a. 25:33.58 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb With it. And. 25:43.24 Nick Brown Very least capable of making smart decisions and saying the right things and that you have ah a good grasp on how the streamer likes things to go. So basically when I first started it was my buddy Sam Dan and Alex they were my so they were my moderators because there was no one to moderate and then as I started to grow a little bit. 25:46.65 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb 30 25:56.86 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb And. 26:01.80 Nick Brown They kind of realized we're not going to be in your stream at all. So then I started to establish some relationships with people that are either already streamers themselves people that have been around and hang out quite a bit. So yeah, you just give them they they call it given them a wrench because the moderator gets a little wrench icon next to them and then yeah, they just they monitor and make sure everything's you know following the. 26:07.24 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb So. 26:20.28 Nick Brown Established rules of the channel which is very helpful, extremely helpful. 26:23.34 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Wow Good You're you're giving me so much or so many more credit credit points with my kid Now this is this is spectacular I'd like everything's clicking now Nick My my son is ah is a huge streamer and he doesn't. 26:28.47 bizzyweb That love. 26:39.74 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Curate content. He's kind of like what what TrigV son was doing. He had his own Youtube channel probably in 2014 for for a while when he was 8 and this ah this is so this is so it it all makes sense and so now the things that he's talking about. And yeah, right. 26:44.20 Nick Brown Okay. 26:50.99 Nick Brown Good. 26:53.97 bizzyweb Keeple for my son again spice through the oigii on Youtube. 26:58.89 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Well, which which leads me to we need to plug your channels because I'm sure our podcast audience is going to be huge consumers of of streaming channels so where it were do and I'm not trying to wrap this up but I want to make sure that we don't forget where do we find you. 26:59.32 bizzyweb Yeah. 27:11.86 Nick Brown Yeah, so kind of a fun story behind this I'll give you a little bit of a peek behind the curtain. So you know how every band that you've ever listened to in history at some point in time one of the members of the band says. Yeah, we wish that if there's 1 thing we could change. It's the name of our band. 27:28.90 bizzyweb Um, yeah, yeah. 27:28.65 Nick Brown Ever hear that you know I think Mom Mumford and sons is a band that said that the who are a band that said that yeah so I was like you know when I establish my channel someday I want to be able to say I wish I would have picked a different name so that's what I did you can find me on Youtube just the word shinies but replace the eyes with ones. That's what you gotta do. 27:29.73 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Um, yeah, of course Oh yeah. 27:46.30 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Oh right on? yeah. 27:48.41 Nick Brown And I'll I'll give you a little insight as to why? So we're we're shiny hunting I had this this idea in my head of what if we could go with this theme of catching the shine flu and then I realized the swine flu was a one n one. 27:59.51 bizzyweb Comes the new. 28:02.74 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb So. 28:03.99 Nick Brown So I toss a nice h one n one into my name not realizing we're in the midst of a pandemic. This is not a great idea but you know what I just I just I just I doubled down and that's what the channel is so you can find at Youtube it is youtube.com/c/. 28:09.62 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Um, ah. 28:21.46 Nick Brown SH one n one e s that's it i. 28:25.16 bizzyweb Ah. 28:26.31 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb I adore that that is fantastic and now that you mentioned it for for listeners right? right behind Nick's head he's got his his logo for for shinies and it all makes sense now and you can yeah you absolutely? ah. 28:33.17 bizzyweb And the shine one I can't unsee the H one n one now. 28:37.43 Nick Brown I Know it's just there forever just just permanently there. Yeah, that's it. That's it. 28:42.15 bizzyweb Ah, ah so it's any SH one n one n e s wow what are what are some other things I think ah the the question that ah I think everybody's probably asking at this point is. 28:43.10 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb And. 29:00.80 bizzyweb What do you get out of it and I'm going to ask that open endedly because if you don't want to say how much money you're making that I don't want to make you but what? what do you? What are you getting out of this. 29:09.73 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Get. 29:10.62 Nick Brown Yeah I more than happy to so since being monetized I average about five hundred a month um which you know for playing I was going to play video games anyway I was going to do this I was going to shiny hunt I was going. This is a thing that I enjoy doing I now get paid to do it. So. 29:17.50 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Um, sweet are. 29:20.59 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Um, right? and. 29:28.47 Nick Brown Um, am I still in the negatives considering the time that it took to get monetized. Yes, but you know, kind of grand scheme of things. It's it's been ah a huge huge journey so five hundred a month is amazing. 29:33.42 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb It if it's with this. Made and. 29:41.74 Nick Brown Like I have plans to use that money to continue to buy things that build the channel. So I don't have to dip into my pocket to buy a brand new computer I can just do that based on what I've earned which is really kind of cool. Um, but I think what I get more out of it than anything and I know this is kind of cheesy but made a lot of really good friends. 29:51.42 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Yeah. 30:01.15 Nick Brown Like genuinely I spend time with the same I spend time with these people more than I spend time with people in the real world like physically I spend less time with people outside of this So ah, just really have established a good community of friends. Um, and just learned a lot like I've learned a lot about. 30:08.16 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb A r. 30:16.68 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Like a wolf community. 30:19.24 Nick Brown Video editing and creation and thumbnail creation and design and what's attractive versus what's not I mean there's just so much that I had to kind of bootstrap and figure out which has been that's been very cool. It's a skill set I didn't know that I had so unlocking That's pretty fun too. 30:22.21 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Yeah, versus what something. 30:37.82 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Well that that's ah, that's a very self-serving one for us. Do you have any killer tips or surprising tips for getting your Youtube videos more views. So for your pov or your on demand. 30:50.16 Nick Brown A. 30:52.90 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Videos. Yeah, what's what's a good thumbnail or or what's a great way to get more views. Oh yeah, yeah, thank you even better. 30:56.85 bizzyweb Let's wrap that up and even ask what is a thumbnail. 31:00.10 Nick Brown And we'll start there. Yeah so the thumbnail is when you're scrolling through Youtube and you see the first little preview of a video. The thumbnail is just that image that kind of grabs people's attention. So when I first started out my idea was to make the most ridiculous thumbnails I possibly could just ah, just go down. 31:05.45 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb To hit. 31:16.40 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb It it. 31:17.13 Nick Brown The the rabbit hole of absurdity as far as I could turns out that didn't work that was not something people liked. They were confused by it. My sense of humor is a little bit different than most so quickly double back. That's exactly it. It's exactly it So I quickly doubled back on that. 31:22.11 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Connect. 31:27.45 bizzyweb Every haven't been friends for so long. 31:34.69 Nick Brown And then just did a lot of kind of thumbnail observations. So Mr Beast is a great example. Mr. Beast actually changes his thumbnails all the time if you watch a video today and you watch that same video a month from now I bet you the thumbnail is different because he's constantly having his team update to be what's currently trending with those. 31:38.31 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Are. 31:53.40 Nick Brown Attention grabbing thumbnails now most people can't do that because it's 1 person and if you release 100 videos you're not going to go make one hundred thumbnails again. But what I found is that this whole concept. So I know anybody who's just listening to this isn't going to understand but imagine me sitting here making a face like surprised. 32:00.92 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Right. 32:12.24 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb So right. 32:13.20 Nick Brown You cut that part of your body out and then you outline it in white slap it on a background of something that you're either doing like in the game and then big blocky letters with a gradient that says, um, amazing or crazy or I can't believe this things like that. 32:20.10 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb And it. 32:28.31 Nick Brown And then clickbaty titles is where it's at doesn't have to lie clickbait and lie are 2 different things but the clickbait could be something like um streamr you know didn't expect this amazing shiny reaction right? It's enough to make you say okay maybe the streamer didn't expect that and it was an amazing reaction. 32:32.55 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb 1 a. 32:42.95 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb You're happy to make K history. 32:47.43 Nick Brown So you go in. Um, that's 1 thing that I've kind of learned in titling and in thumbnail is that you have to let the people who are watching it make their own decision but you want to try and guide them to some assumption. You want them to go into it thinking this is going to be amazing and exciting because then if it isn't they will let you know. 32:53.89 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Hit. 32:59.98 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb The. 33:05.69 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb And and I suppose you get that feedback like immediately like you post something and you're going to get something on your very next stream where one of your members is just going to tell you. 33:06.75 Nick Brown And they have so you get to hear both ends of it. 33:09.49 bizzyweb Um, was there. 33:22.88 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb And or a wrench is going to come in and say dude that what? what was that. 33:22.96 Nick Brown Yeah, yeah, and you learn a beautiful lesson when you start streaming which is that twelve year olds don't hold back? Yeah, they don't hold back. They don't. 33:31.72 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Oh my? Yes yes. 33:33.80 bizzyweb Ah, that's speak what? So what Graphics program. Do you use to to to do that. 33:39.42 Nick Brown I use Canva for everything man use Canva for everything. 33:41.32 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Nice, excellent, unique. 33:43.23 bizzyweb So you know you know, not even need advanced photoshop for this kind of stuff. 33:47.60 Nick Brown No no every now and again I'll go over to photo P which is like a online version of photoshop but practically everything I do is through Canva video editing and graphic design. 33:54.26 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Yes. Excellent. Wow. 34:00.76 bizzyweb Um, how much video editing. Do you do. 34:03.67 Nick Brown Um, usually I'll put out one a week or so not too many. Um but I'll usually edit together either like compilations or like last night during my stream I got 2 shiny pokemons so that will come out as a part of a video probably on Sunday something like that. 34:15.85 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Hit. 34:19.48 Nick Brown Um, and then I also crosspost everything over to Tiktok so crosspost meeting you create it in 1 place. Bring it over to a different source so that you don't have to double down and yeah. 34:23.53 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Right? right? right? Is there a trick to that because we've played with Tiktok at busy web and we do a lot of Youtube. But yeah, is there like places that you can go to cut that in or is it just good old fashioned. Digital elbow grease to to repost. 34:43.82 Nick Brown Yeah, so what I like about um what I like about canva is that if I make a video that's in like a widescreen format or ah, a landscape format. You can easily resize it to portrait and it basically does all the work for you to format it to Tiktok. 34:55.60 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Here project. 34:56.97 Nick Brown So I do my editing there I make this video and then I instantly shift it over and create a different version of it. You have to do some tweaks but um, as far as like upload to one and it goes to many I'm sure there is but it's probably a paid service that I don't use. Um, but it's one of those things is just kind of evaluate the cost. How hard is it for me to go into Tiktok and just hit upload. Um. 35:01.60 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb The next. 35:07.48 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Mirror it? Yeah oh. 35:14.82 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Right? right? Oh yeah. 35:16.80 Nick Brown But cap cut is a great program if you're looking for a really good Tiktok editing. 35:20.59 bizzyweb Ah, can canva and the kind of things you're talking about you're talking about Tens of dollars a month. You're not talking about massive subscription fees for these things. 35:27.24 Nick Brown Yeah, for a long time I did canva completely free so they offer a totally free version. But um I went to the premium for some of their new features are pretty nice like background removal ai image generation. So there's just some really nice things and yet it cost me sixteen Ninety Nine canadian a month. So about. 35:31.60 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Edit. 35:38.17 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Yeah. 35:45.12 Nick Brown Eleven Ninety Nine us yeah 35:45.94 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Like wow. 35:46.44 bizzyweb So are are are you? Yeah ever gonna get tired of shiny hunting. 35:54.28 Nick Brown Ah, it it honestly comes in waves So like a good example is the stream that I do every morning what it actually is is I boot a game up I go up to something I press the a button it does a little cutscene it loads. 36:04.26 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb And. 36:11.50 Nick Brown It shows me the pokemon if it's not the right color I close the game down I start the game up and I repeat that cycle every morning for an hour so that burns you out pretty quick and it took seven months of doing that seven months Monday to Friday for an hour for me to finally get it. So um. 36:18.48 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb A. 36:28.42 Nick Brown Will I ever get bored of doing this on a grand scheme of things. No do I get bored of it in the moments. Absolutely 100% no questions asked I think anybody who doesn't is crazy. But yeah. 36:36.87 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Yeah, wow. 36:37.33 bizzyweb Because I think the next logical question in this evolution is you know you're going to continue to get better and bigger and better and you're going to get more followers which will translate the more money but and you hope you do have to continue to feed the beast that you've created and continue to. 36:47.77 Nick Brown Um. 36:57.17 bizzyweb Do the thing over and over. So if you decide no I don't want to do this I'm going to play a star wars game instead that almost effectively changes just like in business you're going to have to go to a completely new marketplace completely rebuild the community because twelve year olds who are way interested in. 37:07.48 Nick Brown But. 37:13.19 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb So. 37:16.34 bizzyweb And Pokemon are not necessarily interested in anything else. 37:21.45 Nick Brown Yeah, and I think um, you know I've I've thought about that a lot because there are certainly other games that I would like to try streaming and would be more than happy to. But I Also um, it's kind of like if you are a professional chef. 37:36.77 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb And. 37:37.81 Nick Brown And you spend all day cooking. The last thing that you probably want to do when you get home is cook yourself dinner. Um I still want to play other video games I Still want to preserve the joy that I get out of doing that as still something for me right? So video games for me are a relaxation thing. The streaming thing is a hobby but it still is a degree of work. 37:41.72 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Oh. 37:48.40 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Then right. 37:56.34 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Who. 37:57.45 Nick Brown And so I don't do much shiny hunting not on stream. That's where I do kind of all that but part of the reason why I think I don't want to introduce anything else and won't get tired of it is because if I want to play another game I do something entirely different offstream where I don't have to be on and on camera and talking I can just detox and kind of play it. So um. 38:01.73 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb For sure. 38:17.29 Nick Brown Yeah I mean there may can't there might come a day where I want to change things up. But for right now things are rocking and rolling and still enjoying it and time flies by. 38:25.25 bizzyweb I want to ask? Ah I'm going to affectionually call this the affectionately call this the the Ralf Ri the internet question um, you've seen Ralph Res the internet I hope ah the the second one is great. 38:33.60 Nick Brown No I've only seen wreck it Ralph never saw a second one I know I know I know. 38:40.70 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Who. 38:44.59 bizzyweb And the second one the whole concept of it is that Ralph needs to monetize a whole bunch of things in order to get a physical steering wheel for his little buddy's game that broke it back in the arcade. So. 1 of the ways that he does that is he goes into a game called slaughter race which I think is their version of um grant theft auto and there is a marketplace in which assets for the game can be sold and traded are have you ever experienced anything like that. Where. 39:15.34 Nick Brown Time. 39:22.00 bizzyweb People you have all these shinies now because you've done all this hunting and that they're There's such a rarity do people offer to buy them from you. 39:30.24 Nick Brown Um, no, that doesn't typically happen because there's also a huge market for hacking those things into the game because there's people like me who like to do it for the um. Journey and then that final eventual payoff and there's other people who just want them because they look different and it's very easy to just manipulate your game and add them in um through third-party hacking things but a good way that I would parallel that is the pokemon trading card game have a huge resurgence right Now. Just absolutely massive. 39:57.27 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb And. 40:01.42 Nick Brown And um, there are essentially shiny pokemon cards that you get that have immense value I mean just you know you'll go buy ah people will buy hundreds of dollars worth of cards and they're hoping for just one that's worth thousands of dollars so that is big and that's kind of ah you know. 40:06.10 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb And is it. 40:12.46 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb In it. 40:20.84 Nick Brown A big resurgence in when it kind of died out in the 90 s or early two thousand s kind of flat line but now it's back with ah with a vengeance for sure. 40:29.36 bizzyweb Well. 40:32.14 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb It and was is there a specific game that you're playing and like is this like the but what's the Gold Standard um Pokemon game that yours that you're watching and that you're shiny hunting on. 40:44.25 Nick Brown Yeah, so a new one just came out in I say just came out came out in November so the newest one came out in November and that's that's been sort of the the game that you see a lot of people playing pretty much anything that exists on the Nintendo switch people will bounce between um, but. 40:48.67 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Yeah. 40:55.39 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Okay. 41:02.15 Nick Brown What's nice about so game freak the pokemon company and Nintendo are the 3 kind of companies that are responsible for outputting pokemon games. There's usually one every every year there's some iteration of a pokemon game that comes out and then there's also. 41:05.69 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb And. 41:20.87 Nick Brown But they call Dlcs or downloadable content which is additions to the game after release. Um, they're also pretty good about releasing those. So there's always it seems to be. There's always fresh content coming out right at about the time that the previous thing starts to dip So it's pretty. 41:22.72 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb And. 41:32.56 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Um, sure cool yeah for sure and are you playing on switch and recording vs switch. 41:37.10 Nick Brown It's a pretty ah healthy game company to support I Guess when it comes to that. 41:39.53 bizzyweb Um, you yeah and yeah, what to describe your rig. 41:46.99 Nick Brown Yeah, so I use what's called a capture card. So essentially a capture card is a 4 k or high definition pass-through device. So I'm not going to unplug it because I got it all taped down but basic. It's ah it's this. It's this little box. 41:49.40 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Me. 42:01.53 Nick Brown You take your Nintendo switch and you plug it into the hdmi in so the input of this box and then this box has an output which is Usb that plugs into your computer. So what it does is it mimics the sound and the signal from your switch and puts it into a computer when it's in your computer. 42:14.99 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Switch come home into a computer. 42:19.95 Nick Brown You have what they call a stream service so I have obs which I don't know what it actually stands for but there's obs and there's another popular one called streamlabs and this is where you you build what your stream looks like so your webcam is a source your capture card and your Nintendo switch is a source your. 42:25.72 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Yep. 12. 42:38.19 Nick Brown Um, anything any text you might have that's a source and then that program is what broadcasts to the to the internet. So I think Obs is open broadcasting software is the name of it it. Yeah, it just pushes that way. So it's just it's. 42:49.15 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Yes, yep, that's right? Yeah ah hold. 42:50.27 bizzyweb So you're just playing one. You're playing on a switch and you bought the converter boxed which is you know, kind of like you know for for people who are Dave and I was aged where you had to turn the channel the tv to channel three back into. 42:56.15 Nick Brown Yep. 43:03.64 Nick Brown Yeah, that's that's basically what it does is. It's just a a signal repeater that converts your video signal over to a Hdmi or to a Usb that plugs into a computer. It's all it is but there are you can get it built directly into your computer now. That's how huge streaming is. 43:06.60 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Um, okay, and. 43:19.50 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Wow and do you do you stream your switch to a Tv or are you playing all handheld. 43:21.15 Nick Brown Crazy. 43:28.79 Nick Brown Ah, so I actually stream it and I play it off of my computer monitor. So it's all it's all set up like a console. But yeah, it's it's directly to a computer monitor that I played through yep. 43:32.30 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Okay, right on? Yeah, okay, amazing. But and my son texted me while we were chatting Nick and so I asked him what I should ask and he said what's your favorite shiny. 43:45.81 Nick Brown Oh that's that's 100% shiny Ray Quasa you can say that to him. It's a little bit tough. Yeah, he'll know he'll know if he knows Pokemon Hill know that's the best 1 top tier top tier. 43:52.65 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Um, okay, cool I'm I'm letting him know that's amazing. 44:02.62 bizzyweb Nick Nick how from an hour count you know you? what I think everybody's looking for a side hustle these days and so I think we we appreciate all the time you've had put in describing yours I think 2 sort of final questions is number 1 is. 44:18.40 Nick Brown Um. 44:22.48 bizzyweb Um I want to underscore that you did this because you like this and you're gonna do it anyway. So if if this is something that people want to do they have to feel good about it and they have to feel passionate about it. It's not really a question as much of an opportunity to comment. 44:34.67 Nick Brown Um, and. 44:37.23 Nick Brown Yeah I mean if you are someone who doesn't put in the same energy that you're hoping to get out I know people who started the same day that I did that have 102 subscribers and they don't have anybody that views but they still do it because they just love doing it. But there's. 44:53.75 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Yes. 44:56.42 Nick Brown There is There is a degree of the it factor but it's something that can be created just by being personal and just having fun and some of the most successful content creators that I know they don't even have a camera. They're just a voice. They're just a voice playing a game so you don't There's half of my friends I don't know what they look like probably never will um. 45:12.14 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Significant effort. 45:15.55 Nick Brown But yeah, it's it's ah it's a passion thing. It's the same passion that you would bring into any business I understand that this is not something I'm probably going to retire on unless I hit it big Um, but for right now this is just equal parts Creative outlet equal parts ah enjoyment of a hobby equal parts. 45:22.90 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb F. 45:34.29 Nick Brown Giving my fiancee some time to watch Love Island and love is blind. Um, but that's exactly it. It's exactly it. But no, it's just ah, it's ah it's a very. It's a very passion-driven thing that has unlocked a lot of opportunities and things in my life that I did not expect it to so. 45:37.18 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Yeah. 45:37.24 bizzyweb Which and you don't have to do for all 1 or 2 45:52.16 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb This is this is absolutely fantastic Nig and and fascinating and you like I said before you give me huge cred points. So thank you And what? what I love about. 45:52.79 Nick Brown Yeah. 45:59.69 Nick Brown Of course. 46:05.82 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Talking to people in spaces that I really should know more about but I'm completely clueless and is that you're stretching my brain for sure into new ways to think about what we do which is you know, digital marketing and all that and you're you're very much grassroots and. And working in a completely different field in a completely different space that I'm sure is going to keep getting bigger and bigger. So this has been absolutely tremendous for me. Thank you? Yeah and Siri agreed. 46:32.94 Nick Brown Awesome! What she what she find. 46:35.99 bizzyweb And theory agrees to thank you so much Nick tell us again your Youtube channel to yeah. 46:42.92 Nick Brown Yes, you can find me youtube.com/cshonenonees or I think if you just search ah streamer has epic archeus reaction. You will find me as well. A RCEUS you will find me freaking out. 46:56.97 Dave Meyer_ BizzyWeb Um, but. 47:00.21 Nick Brown To Celine Dion a wonderful thing. Ah. 47:01.27 bizzyweb We'll have to learn with that. But but that is too.